Nice statement but we need to learn the language of the sound bite. Plus, we need a movement to disbar Vance and Bondi. They are violating their oaths and that step might at least land a punch. Thank you for your work.
Agree completely. We had a respite of four years, experienced normalacy again, and now the rowdy guest has returned to the scene of his last hotel party where he trashed the suite, repeating the same but at a more virgous pace. ENOUGH!!! We do EVERYTHING we can to push back against this authoritarianism. Everything he does is to placate his base of the uninformed, frightened, reactionary, and emotional. It puts the United States on a trajectory to 1890 as government sees the "future" as the past (fossil fuels), while every other country is pursuing cleaner and more efficient use of energy. All our global alliances are cracking as foreign aid is seen as handouts rather than investments. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa all see the age-old benefits of unity, and as we decline, they will profit handsomely at our expense. This is what you get when you elect a two-bit actor who played a cartoonish "rich guy" character but can't lead a fool of one out of a paper bag stuck on his orange head. I know I am on the right side of decency opposing this cancer, and appreciate the work of all the like-minded people on this site.
They are destroying the US government and economy and its citizens’ freedoms on purpose and as bad as I imagine their reasons to be, I am sure it is much worse because it always is.
I certainly agree with you, Jennifer. I think the people in this group are very clear-minded and focused on facts. None of the concerns I have read anywhere here seem remotely alarmist in these times. I was just commenting to a relative about how this cycle of the king seems more uncertain because who knows what motivations are behind him. I don't perceive it as one idiot. There are some really dark forces behind him. I happened to be in a bookstore and noticed a title "Den of Spies" by NY Times reporter Craig Unger who covered a story some time in the 1980s. It involves the hostages held in Iran in the late 1970s. The earliest memory of politics was Reagan's first inauguration, and the release of the hostages. I remember my Mother commented at that time on how this action was an effort to make President Carter look weak. But this book takes it much farther, yet his efforts were vilified by the mainstream media at the time. From the cover notes, Bill Casey was Reagan's Campaign Manager (a role I was unaware that he held because I remember him as the head of CIA). Casey had illegally run a shadow government negotiation with the Iranians to continue holding the hostages until Reagan was elected, and in return they would receive arms....voila, "Iran-Contra" which was headlines in '86 and '87 ad nauseum. I haven't read the book, but it all makes sense, and underscores how despicable the Republicans I once supported have been. Indeed, except for old man Bush, and I am not so sure, I can't name a truly decent Republican President with integrity since Ike. It shows how where we are now has unfolded I was a baby, and indeed, unscrupulous operators like Pat Buchanan and Roger Stone of the Nixon White House have just deficated all over Democracy at their will. They've worked for their own ends and not for the people. But we've reached an impasse. The paleoconservative movement has worked at consolidating power, and laws mean nothing. I notice evidence of an increase in shoplifting (empty packages hidden on shelves; reduced number of self-checkouts etc.) partly because of the chasm between the haves and have-nots, but also because of "leadership" where you can do whatever as long as it is in his interests. Right now, I stay tuned in to headlines, but try to stay at arms length from too much analysis and theorizing. But as a country founded by revolutionaries who were PROGRESSIVE, I see people like ourselves who truly understand what freedom is and have lived it for so long to not cave to an organized crime gang. Honestly, I have real faith, even if these are difficult time for a while. I am convinced that these people are so evil, they are doomed to failure. I also have pleasant daydreams of the administration and billionaire backers experiencing hell, karma, etc. Ever seen shady billionaire Robert Mercer burning as people look on and do nothing? Maybe AI tech can create that warm image from a scan of my brain? ;-)
Den of Spies is a stunning book, and Unger is a great writer, it reads almost like a novel- very chatty and descriptive, but still pulls all the threads together. Unger chose to have it hit the shelves on President Carter's 100th birthday, and it feels like a real vindication for
I dunno I see a straight through line from Nixon and his ill-conceived pardon, to Reagan and his cheating to get elected, to W with the same, right up to trump. The GOP changes the way it cheats every election and the Dems fight the last battle every time. Sigh
The people soon learned during the Reagan eight years, trickle-down theory did not trickle down, that Reagin also was anti-union as in firing the Air Traffic Controllers, and his decisions were mostly according to his “star-reading” wife. My retired mother at the time could pay attention to politics, as I was busy supporting my life. Now today, I am retired, now I am all attention to politics, and understand but hate, that those who voted for this deceiver are busy just living.
Excellent point. I haven't been thinking much about Old man Bush's time in office recently. I well remember Saddaam misreading his ability to invade Kuwait. His buddies Cheney and Rumsfeld were installed in his son's admin to run things, and they were aching for vengeance. I think of how the country was bamboozled into invading Iraq when it was obvious all along there was no justification but personal revenge. I wouldn't quite say that the media hated Reagan, though he certainly did have his opponents. The 1980s is often cited as some sort of golden era in the US, mainly because of bread and circuses, but innumerable problems were conveniently swept under the carpet while the party carried on. News? Depends on the definition of "news". News is what is in the traditional newspaper and not just politics and Washington. My intentional exposure to media is via aggregate sites relying on the driest, solid news from credible news organizations. TV is through unintentional exposure of family members who have it on, and my willingness of the moment to watch PBS, BBC or MSNBC. BBC has always done a proper job in reporting where newsreaders are not the star but conduit for information. Rachel Maddow is really the only MSNBC commentator who I find truly grounded. She's doesn't try to be a personality. I can't believe she that at one point, she was paired on a show with Tucker Carlson. Social media - never.
THE ABA is just like the FDA and the FCC they are all tools of the corporations that use the 'revolving door' to get the lawyers in there and then monopolize the system......
Think of the Oxycontin epidemic that was under Clinton's watch. No one talked about it until last year 30 years later and they make a movie.......
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
Great statement...but....what are the action steps? Where is the call to action? Besides taking a position, coin of the realm these days, what is the ABA doing collectively? I'm a member, and I couldn't find anything on the site. Indivisible is where I'll stay until the ABA is more specific. Still, thank you for sharing.
A class action suit filed on behalf of the American people against the Trump administration and its abettors. It sounds as if we would have the top legal counsel on our side
He did not and if you look at all the phony suppression of votes enacted in all State legislatures you might, right now, have a differebt president. And if you are interested in the suppression/presidential outcome, read Greg Palast and then you might want to support a national voting rights reform Now!
No, Elon diddled the vote tabulation as Trumpski publicly admitted, no doubt with Vlad's help....and BTW, tell Vlad he needs to get you remedial American history and political science...your ignorance of America is showing, Natasha.. .
Plato was adamantly opposed to democracy as he saw how the people can be manipulated—often using religious beliefs—to kill those, like Socrates who supported reason over worshiping the silly mythologies of gods on Mt. Olympus.
I just learned that years later, the same or similar nut jobs convinced the Democratic mob to go after Aristotle offering him the same choice they offered Socrates, exile or death. Aristotle, unlike Socrates, chose exile where he lived 4 or 5 years longer.
Thus, I do not give a damn about “popular” vote if the population is irrational, which our voting public is, IMO.
This is a great idea. Now we need a big law firm to take it on. But the problem is, they would most likely expect to be paid. Who would pay? The muskrat 🐀
Inaction/delay is the ABA standard on points of contention among the membership.
This statement is, in my opinion, a bit outside the ABA's track record as to clarity, timing and specific target market. A statement desperately needed for counsel and the Court to follow.
I wish J. Eastman, Rudy G. and the J6 legal crew would have had heeded such warnings in Dec. 2020.
I agree - this is quite activist for the ABA as a professional organization (not a political sector under ordinary circumstances). They see the flouting of court decisions and injunctions and the constitutional crisis ahead...
This is a relief! To know that someone somewhere and particularly the ABA is protecting us from the Trump/Musk assault on our country, our democracy and our lives.
SO you don't auditing the government is a good idea? Especially after we have a $33 trillion dollar Debt- of which over the last 4 years 3 trillion has gone to:
Foreign aid is one of the smallest line items areas in the budget , is overseen in detail by Congress (including reviews of all proposed outlays), and benefits the US by creating and sustaining positive relationships instead of having to impose our will by military means. An audit is fine - though I erkill given strict congressional tracking. But this is an unconstitutional power grab conducted by unvetted and untrained children.
Also, we don't know what this unelected, unconfirmed uber-oligarch plans to do with *our* taxpayer dollars. Sure looks like theft to me. Congress had already appropriated those monies.
Mechanisms already existed to determine whether there was "fraud." These include the fired inspectors general, the GAO, and the OMB, which are now in the hands of the architects of Project 2025, another faction that explicitly wants a dictatorship.
“…and benefits the US by creating and sustaining positive relationships instead of having to impose our will by military means.”
Benefits the US? Don’t you mean that it benefits different capitalist who use tax money paid by the American middle class to support those Capitalists buying influence to make more money?
A legitimate audit with qualified people is not a problem. The problem is what they are now doing-is not that. Inexperienced young men recoding complex and sensitive computer systems is not an audit. No security clearance for this group of private citizens who are accessing the country’s most sensitive data is not an audit. Refusing to spend allocated funds is not an audit. Locking out current staff who know these systems is not an audit. Causing chaos and confusion and firing people illegally is not an audit. Not one teeny tiny part of their current actions resemble any type of “audit.” You are being lied to, Tanya. You are being gaslit and I’m sorry about that.
Sending six young hackers with ZERO experience in auditing and accounting, with no comprehension of how government programs is a JOKE. And giving them unrestricted read/write access to the government’s most sensitive and comprehensive data is malfeasance of the highest order.
AND…why did you only go back 4YEARS??? What about the 7 TRILLION the prior 4 years?? Um I think you’ve got a little something on your forehead there Tanya..
Theyre not really auditing. Theyre just cutting wherever they feel like. You really believe Musk (an imigrant remember) & a group of 20 yr olds are actually “auditing”? Maybe that could be an idea, but that’s not what’s happening. You need to pick up a clue!!
Better go back to math class. Besides, take one guess (need a hint?) who got us into this massive debt. (Bzzzzt, sound of buzzer.) Wrong. The correct answer is the GOP and tax cuts for near trillionaires. Are you down with that, Tanya?
If they really want to audit the federal government why don’t they start with the DOD? Answer: because the person doing the auditing makes billions from DoD’s budget. This whole thing is a scam to literally loot the government and the American people of their wealth. If you don’t understand that you are part of the problem.
Auditing by competent professional auditors is fine...part of what the IGs the Felon in Chief dismissed normally do...but a fraud such as Putie bots (like you) wouldn't know that, white right, Olga Liarovitch?
Most news is fabricated propaganda - our worldwide communications are controlled by six different major corporations, and they all seem to have the agenda of destroying America.
My question is why are these judges, who are issuing TROs, are not issuing arrest warrants for Musk and his little band of miscreants, and, for that matter, the President himself? These people are engaged in a coup. Is that not treason? Is that not about as illegal as it gets?
The plaintiffs in some of these cases could file a show cause motion to have Musk/ DOGE held in contempt for continuing to violate TROs. Otherwise, for a federal arrest warrant, DOJ would have to apply for the warrant and the court either grants or denies. With Bondi in charge of DOJ don’t expect any arrest warrants or even investigations of all the civil laws being fragrantly violated.
If Bondi herself can be shown to be in contempt of the constitution for condoning the clearly seditious actions of the White House cabal then she too should be impeached and imprisoned. You either have the rule of law or you don’t. It should not be a matter of who is breaking the law but who has the balls to hold them to account. Trump once said he could shoot somebody dead in the middle of Times Square and still get the Republican nomination. He is in the process of committing treason and he and his accomplices are encompassing the deaths of persons uncounted through the essential programs they are cancelling before every witness on the planet with access to the media. The Secret service itself should be placing him and his cohort of miscreants under arrest! Failing that a company of Marines should be clomping into the West Wing or Mar a Lego or wherever the nearest golden toilet is and hauling their asses off to Leavenworth.
It seems there's a lot of lawyers here and they seem pretty high and mighty and thinking that what they do is important but let's remind ourselves we need farmers and we need chefs and we need firemen and police man but we don't really need lawyers they provide no benefit to society they don't create anything.
That being said, Trump and Elon Musk are not lawyers they're talented, businessmen and entrepreneurs. I think there's a subtle unconscious jealousy that anything they do is something that could've been something you did, but didn't have the courage to strike out on your own.
Again Tanya, there are legal mechanisms for audits already. And audits are done regularly by every department. The objection here is not doing an audit, it is that unelected, unqualified, private citizens are demanding wholesale, impulsive changes, and have their hands on the Treasury. This opens the door to theft, just for a start, preferment for a second, dictatorship third, and economic let alone global political ruin fourth. I leave aside the threats of war and invasion against your largest trading partners...
Clearly government audits are ineffective and mean little. The Dod has failed something like 7 audits running. And multiple lawsuits are currently being filed against defense contractors for overcharging the department for years. I doubt the Dod is the only department with these problems. I don’t see how the door will be open for theft considering an audit will still occur, not related to DOGE. Preferment is already a problem with the revolving door that many departments have. Dictatorship is actually a fair concern but I think relates more the trump then DOGE, and the 4th point is also more of a trump problem while cutting foreign aid programs will hinder political relationships I think the tariffs and unwillingness of the current administration to meet with foreign allied leaders is more the problem.
That is not clear at all. If the legal system presently in place to track any waste, fraud or "abuse" are not up to the task, then THOSE SYSTEMS need to be strengthened. It is not reasonable to say the only alternative is to let an unelected, unqualified, private citizen with conflicts of interest and a questionable history walk in and make wholesale changes.
I would not say it is only alternative but these problems have existed for years and not only has nothing changed but no one even seemed concerned. 7 failed audits($824 billion missing just from Dod)should not be possible without a major shift. That is tax money just being stolen and no one cares. There is no reason to think the government will suddenly become effective so bringing in an outside source seems reasonable. Doesn’t need to be Elon but someone who is public enough to bring attention to how shitty our government is at keeping track of its expenses felt needed.
Oh Tanya. If money laundering is the problem, then by all means go after it. But do so by legal means, not this ridiculous slash and burn operation by Musk and Trump. It is a pity the FBI is also being gutted, because tracking and dealing with money laundering is their job. Ergo, this admin has no interest in dealing with your "machinations of money laundering". Likely as they plan to turbocharge it for their own benefit.
One apparently actually told some court--can't remember which issue, USAID I think--that the freeze only applied to "future disbursements." However you think of future, it doesn't include money already not disbursed. I hope whoever it is gets reported to his state bar for bald face lies.
Do you think that even Thomas and Alito would go with overruling Marbury vs Madison?
Thank you Mr. Bay for using your position to affirm what we all can see is outright injustice. My father fled Nazi Germany to arrive in this country at age 13, and paid his way to college by driving a taxi. He eventually graduated from Yale Law School and represented the California Bar Association for decades.
Though he died 2 years ago at 98, he was still working to fight injustice. He would be furious at the administration's illegal actions and doing his part to advocate for the everyman. He believed the US legal system was the world's best; may it prove itself now or forever hold its peace.
I see from your posted comment that no censorship has taken place. But your comments are inane and provocative for no reason. So the best policy here is for us all to ignore you. That is called "consequences".
And yet this lady got a response. How can u justify that in ur head. “Hey if we ignore this maybe it will stop. How can I make this happen…? I guess the best way would be to respond and get one last jab in so she knows she’s definitely not getting to me” what???? Also on a side note really do ignore her this Tanya lady is getting enough hate as is
A worthy statement as far as it goes. Where was the ABA when a whole raft of lawyers were pushing "Stop the Steal"? Where is their defense of their profession against those who use it to push dangerous agendas? This current president has attacked the legal profession, judges and the rule of law ever since he rode down that golden escalator in 2015. It would have been nice to see something like this when he was attacking prosecutors and investigators who were following the rule of law.
Glad the ABA came out with a strong statement- Judge Coughenour was even more impressive as a Reagan appointee smacking down Trump challenge to birthright citizenship. Joyce Vance linked to this audio of his inspiring statement: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/PPY8978309182?selected=SLT1263175437
As I suggested in an earlier post, I emailed the ABA asking them to consider revoking the law licenses of those in this administration who are supposed to be following the law.
When one’s professional livelihood is threatened, one might take pause.
Nice statement but we need to learn the language of the sound bite. Plus, we need a movement to disbar Vance and Bondi. They are violating their oaths and that step might at least land a punch. Thank you for your work.
I picture Bondi disbarred and in prison after we defeat this Trump regime. We must defeat it.
Agree completely. We had a respite of four years, experienced normalacy again, and now the rowdy guest has returned to the scene of his last hotel party where he trashed the suite, repeating the same but at a more virgous pace. ENOUGH!!! We do EVERYTHING we can to push back against this authoritarianism. Everything he does is to placate his base of the uninformed, frightened, reactionary, and emotional. It puts the United States on a trajectory to 1890 as government sees the "future" as the past (fossil fuels), while every other country is pursuing cleaner and more efficient use of energy. All our global alliances are cracking as foreign aid is seen as handouts rather than investments. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa all see the age-old benefits of unity, and as we decline, they will profit handsomely at our expense. This is what you get when you elect a two-bit actor who played a cartoonish "rich guy" character but can't lead a fool of one out of a paper bag stuck on his orange head. I know I am on the right side of decency opposing this cancer, and appreciate the work of all the like-minded people on this site.
They are destroying the US government and economy and its citizens’ freedoms on purpose and as bad as I imagine their reasons to be, I am sure it is much worse because it always is.
I certainly agree with you, Jennifer. I think the people in this group are very clear-minded and focused on facts. None of the concerns I have read anywhere here seem remotely alarmist in these times. I was just commenting to a relative about how this cycle of the king seems more uncertain because who knows what motivations are behind him. I don't perceive it as one idiot. There are some really dark forces behind him. I happened to be in a bookstore and noticed a title "Den of Spies" by NY Times reporter Craig Unger who covered a story some time in the 1980s. It involves the hostages held in Iran in the late 1970s. The earliest memory of politics was Reagan's first inauguration, and the release of the hostages. I remember my Mother commented at that time on how this action was an effort to make President Carter look weak. But this book takes it much farther, yet his efforts were vilified by the mainstream media at the time. From the cover notes, Bill Casey was Reagan's Campaign Manager (a role I was unaware that he held because I remember him as the head of CIA). Casey had illegally run a shadow government negotiation with the Iranians to continue holding the hostages until Reagan was elected, and in return they would receive arms....voila, "Iran-Contra" which was headlines in '86 and '87 ad nauseum. I haven't read the book, but it all makes sense, and underscores how despicable the Republicans I once supported have been. Indeed, except for old man Bush, and I am not so sure, I can't name a truly decent Republican President with integrity since Ike. It shows how where we are now has unfolded I was a baby, and indeed, unscrupulous operators like Pat Buchanan and Roger Stone of the Nixon White House have just deficated all over Democracy at their will. They've worked for their own ends and not for the people. But we've reached an impasse. The paleoconservative movement has worked at consolidating power, and laws mean nothing. I notice evidence of an increase in shoplifting (empty packages hidden on shelves; reduced number of self-checkouts etc.) partly because of the chasm between the haves and have-nots, but also because of "leadership" where you can do whatever as long as it is in his interests. Right now, I stay tuned in to headlines, but try to stay at arms length from too much analysis and theorizing. But as a country founded by revolutionaries who were PROGRESSIVE, I see people like ourselves who truly understand what freedom is and have lived it for so long to not cave to an organized crime gang. Honestly, I have real faith, even if these are difficult time for a while. I am convinced that these people are so evil, they are doomed to failure. I also have pleasant daydreams of the administration and billionaire backers experiencing hell, karma, etc. Ever seen shady billionaire Robert Mercer burning as people look on and do nothing? Maybe AI tech can create that warm image from a scan of my brain? ;-)
Den of Spies is a stunning book, and Unger is a great writer, it reads almost like a novel- very chatty and descriptive, but still pulls all the threads together. Unger chose to have it hit the shelves on President Carter's 100th birthday, and it feels like a real vindication for
Old man bush was the Devil, and his reputation and leading us into war with Iraq was the beginning of the end of Reagans legacy.
The media hated Reagan but the people loved him, just like Trump today.
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
I dunno I see a straight through line from Nixon and his ill-conceived pardon, to Reagan and his cheating to get elected, to W with the same, right up to trump. The GOP changes the way it cheats every election and the Dems fight the last battle every time. Sigh
The people soon learned during the Reagan eight years, trickle-down theory did not trickle down, that Reagin also was anti-union as in firing the Air Traffic Controllers, and his decisions were mostly according to his “star-reading” wife. My retired mother at the time could pay attention to politics, as I was busy supporting my life. Now today, I am retired, now I am all attention to politics, and understand but hate, that those who voted for this deceiver are busy just living.
Excellent point. I haven't been thinking much about Old man Bush's time in office recently. I well remember Saddaam misreading his ability to invade Kuwait. His buddies Cheney and Rumsfeld were installed in his son's admin to run things, and they were aching for vengeance. I think of how the country was bamboozled into invading Iraq when it was obvious all along there was no justification but personal revenge. I wouldn't quite say that the media hated Reagan, though he certainly did have his opponents. The 1980s is often cited as some sort of golden era in the US, mainly because of bread and circuses, but innumerable problems were conveniently swept under the carpet while the party carried on. News? Depends on the definition of "news". News is what is in the traditional newspaper and not just politics and Washington. My intentional exposure to media is via aggregate sites relying on the driest, solid news from credible news organizations. TV is through unintentional exposure of family members who have it on, and my willingness of the moment to watch PBS, BBC or MSNBC. BBC has always done a proper job in reporting where newsreaders are not the star but conduit for information. Rachel Maddow is really the only MSNBC commentator who I find truly grounded. She's doesn't try to be a personality. I can't believe she that at one point, she was paired on a show with Tucker Carlson. Social media - never.
Remember this cartoonish character said, “I enjoyed the part when I said, You’re fired.”
Hear hear!
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
I read journalism online, so I do not consume the usual white Reich bs you support....
No cartoons on that list....you know she's uninformed and uneducated. Probably eats her crayons
Pretty please 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Could you elaborate on how the disbarment process could be initiated?
Agree!! Disbar Vance and Bondi, and another maga attorney that has violated their oath to uphold the law,
I agree. Vance and Bondi must be disbarred.
I agree. We need to disbar these attorneys NOW...not after the regime is taken down. Otherwise, democracy may not prevail.
I was just reading this site and here’s a great letter to our leaders about how to get rid of the entire administration!
https://open.substack.com/pub/ourcivicduty/p/letter-to-our-leaders-the-trump-admin?r=1ygqth&utm_medium=ios
Don’t leave Trump out of oath violations.
Yes. Ray is from Missouri? Hawley?
i agree wuth Jennifer she is right!! sounds like more lip service when we need ACTION!
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
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Generally do not get news from places other than news web-sites or substack.
I can always count on you, Asha, to lift me up. Thank goodness the ABA has spoken. I will spread this message as far and wide as I am able.
RULE OF LAW
They reckon ill
Who leave it out
When it it flies
IT IS THE WINGS
it is the doubter and the doubt
For the most powerful it sings
THE ABA is just like the FDA and the FCC they are all tools of the corporations that use the 'revolving door' to get the lawyers in there and then monopolize the system......
Think of the Oxycontin epidemic that was under Clinton's watch. No one talked about it until last year 30 years later and they make a movie.......
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
Not quite sure what this post means. The American Bar Association statement seems very clear to me to be an indictment of what the President is doing.
Me too
Thanks for reminding me of this. It feels so long ago that I commented. Glad all the lawyers and bar associations are continuing to fight.
Cynicism encourages defeatism.
It allows one to do nothing except complain about a thirty year old unresolved crisis.
Now is the time for good people to unify and encourage each other into action.
Imagine if the ABA said nothing. This had to be said. Bravo!
Great statement...but....what are the action steps? Where is the call to action? Besides taking a position, coin of the realm these days, what is the ABA doing collectively? I'm a member, and I couldn't find anything on the site. Indivisible is where I'll stay until the ABA is more specific. Still, thank you for sharing.
A class action suit filed on behalf of the American people against the Trump administration and its abettors. It sounds as if we would have the top legal counsel on our side
Let's get moving on the class action suit!
I have thought of that.
However, definition of a manageable protected "Class" is an element of Class certification.
That would be a Court decision.
Not to discourage others, but how would that go?
The transcript:
To address the Court,
Can we define injured individuals in the class as the entire world population?
Excuse me your Honor, I withdraw the question as being much too relevant.
On behalf of American people? Wait, didn't the American people elect Trump?
Trump could not even garner a majority of the popular vote, only a plurality that falls far short of representing a mandate.
He did not and if you look at all the phony suppression of votes enacted in all State legislatures you might, right now, have a differebt president. And if you are interested in the suppression/presidential outcome, read Greg Palast and then you might want to support a national voting rights reform Now!
To be President, he took an oath to uphold to Constitution. He’s violating it at every turn. Stop trolling.
Not all of us voted for the Cheetoh. I never have and never will. Count on it.
Only Nazis like you....bimbo.
No, Elon diddled the vote tabulation as Trumpski publicly admitted, no doubt with Vlad's help....and BTW, tell Vlad he needs to get you remedial American history and political science...your ignorance of America is showing, Natasha.. .
A minority did
Plato was adamantly opposed to democracy as he saw how the people can be manipulated—often using religious beliefs—to kill those, like Socrates who supported reason over worshiping the silly mythologies of gods on Mt. Olympus.
I just learned that years later, the same or similar nut jobs convinced the Democratic mob to go after Aristotle offering him the same choice they offered Socrates, exile or death. Aristotle, unlike Socrates, chose exile where he lived 4 or 5 years longer.
Thus, I do not give a damn about “popular” vote if the population is irrational, which our voting public is, IMO.
Yep, another fragile white right elitist....
This is a great idea. Now we need a big law firm to take it on. But the problem is, they would most likely expect to be paid. Who would pay? The muskrat 🐀
Deb O'Shea,
Inaction/delay is the ABA standard on points of contention among the membership.
This statement is, in my opinion, a bit outside the ABA's track record as to clarity, timing and specific target market. A statement desperately needed for counsel and the Court to follow.
I wish J. Eastman, Rudy G. and the J6 legal crew would have had heeded such warnings in Dec. 2020.
I agree - this is quite activist for the ABA as a professional organization (not a political sector under ordinary circumstances). They see the flouting of court decisions and injunctions and the constitutional crisis ahead...
You could contact them and ask exactly these questions.
Already on my to-do list today.
My thoughts exactly. Start disbarment proceedings. File lawsuits against MuskTrump. Take some bold steps!
Thank you… this is what I to am asking and looking for… “A CALL TO ACTION”
We Cannot Wait Any Longer. Where is the Call for “A General Strike!”
I am also a member of Indivisible
This is a relief! To know that someone somewhere and particularly the ABA is protecting us from the Trump/Musk assault on our country, our democracy and our lives.
SO you don't auditing the government is a good idea? Especially after we have a $33 trillion dollar Debt- of which over the last 4 years 3 trillion has gone to:
Mexico - 295 million
Czech Republic - 324 million
Estonia - 334 million
Lithuania - 339 million
Poland - 375 million
Romania - 397 million
Bulgaria - 431 million
Tanzania - 471 million
Pakistan - 536 million
Columbia - 731 million
Philippines -809 million
Somalia - 998 million
Lebanon - 1 billion
Iraq - 2.2 billion
Jordan - 2.3 billion
Afghanistan - 6.1 billion
Egypt - 6.3 billion
Ukraine - 2.6 billion
Israel - 8.5 billion
Foreign aid is one of the smallest line items areas in the budget , is overseen in detail by Congress (including reviews of all proposed outlays), and benefits the US by creating and sustaining positive relationships instead of having to impose our will by military means. An audit is fine - though I erkill given strict congressional tracking. But this is an unconstitutional power grab conducted by unvetted and untrained children.
Also, we don't know what this unelected, unconfirmed uber-oligarch plans to do with *our* taxpayer dollars. Sure looks like theft to me. Congress had already appropriated those monies.
Mechanisms already existed to determine whether there was "fraud." These include the fired inspectors general, the GAO, and the OMB, which are now in the hands of the architects of Project 2025, another faction that explicitly wants a dictatorship.
“…and benefits the US by creating and sustaining positive relationships instead of having to impose our will by military means.”
Benefits the US? Don’t you mean that it benefits different capitalist who use tax money paid by the American middle class to support those Capitalists buying influence to make more money?
No..but you may
A legitimate audit with qualified people is not a problem. The problem is what they are now doing-is not that. Inexperienced young men recoding complex and sensitive computer systems is not an audit. No security clearance for this group of private citizens who are accessing the country’s most sensitive data is not an audit. Refusing to spend allocated funds is not an audit. Locking out current staff who know these systems is not an audit. Causing chaos and confusion and firing people illegally is not an audit. Not one teeny tiny part of their current actions resemble any type of “audit.” You are being lied to, Tanya. You are being gaslit and I’m sorry about that.
There is nothing wrong with legitimate audits.
Sending six young hackers with ZERO experience in auditing and accounting, with no comprehension of how government programs is a JOKE. And giving them unrestricted read/write access to the government’s most sensitive and comprehensive data is malfeasance of the highest order.
Of course not. If only that’s what was actually happening🤷♀️.
Who said auditing isn’t a good idea? All that is being said is that you must follow the law. You can’t just blow shit up cuz you don’t like it.
AND…why did you only go back 4YEARS??? What about the 7 TRILLION the prior 4 years?? Um I think you’ve got a little something on your forehead there Tanya..
Theyre not really auditing. Theyre just cutting wherever they feel like. You really believe Musk (an imigrant remember) & a group of 20 yr olds are actually “auditing”? Maybe that could be an idea, but that’s not what’s happening. You need to pick up a clue!!
Better go back to math class. Besides, take one guess (need a hint?) who got us into this massive debt. (Bzzzzt, sound of buzzer.) Wrong. The correct answer is the GOP and tax cuts for near trillionaires. Are you down with that, Tanya?
If they really want to audit the federal government why don’t they start with the DOD? Answer: because the person doing the auditing makes billions from DoD’s budget. This whole thing is a scam to literally loot the government and the American people of their wealth. If you don’t understand that you are part of the problem.
Wondering where did you get your figures? Please give Source used to acquire the information you have presented.
Trump caused much of that debt in his first term, MAGA MORON.
Auditing by competent professional auditors is fine...part of what the IGs the Felon in Chief dismissed normally do...but a fraud such as Putie bots (like you) wouldn't know that, white right, Olga Liarovitch?
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
I’m just curious. WHERE do you get your news?
She probably can't read or comprehend if it's not in a coloring book.
Most news is fabricated propaganda - our worldwide communications are controlled by six different major corporations, and they all seem to have the agenda of destroying America.
Ah another lying fascist working for the orangeshitgibbon's owner, Vlad Putin...which is why I blocked you.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ....... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH........what do you call MAGAt cleaning their ears? A colonoscopy!
“Tanya” should stfu
She is a President Elon bot....
Of course she is, that’s why I knew she wouldn’t take offense lol
My question is why are these judges, who are issuing TROs, are not issuing arrest warrants for Musk and his little band of miscreants, and, for that matter, the President himself? These people are engaged in a coup. Is that not treason? Is that not about as illegal as it gets?
The plaintiffs in some of these cases could file a show cause motion to have Musk/ DOGE held in contempt for continuing to violate TROs. Otherwise, for a federal arrest warrant, DOJ would have to apply for the warrant and the court either grants or denies. With Bondi in charge of DOJ don’t expect any arrest warrants or even investigations of all the civil laws being fragrantly violated.
GREAT QUESTION! And the answer is...?
If Bondi herself can be shown to be in contempt of the constitution for condoning the clearly seditious actions of the White House cabal then she too should be impeached and imprisoned. You either have the rule of law or you don’t. It should not be a matter of who is breaking the law but who has the balls to hold them to account. Trump once said he could shoot somebody dead in the middle of Times Square and still get the Republican nomination. He is in the process of committing treason and he and his accomplices are encompassing the deaths of persons uncounted through the essential programs they are cancelling before every witness on the planet with access to the media. The Secret service itself should be placing him and his cohort of miscreants under arrest! Failing that a company of Marines should be clomping into the West Wing or Mar a Lego or wherever the nearest golden toilet is and hauling their asses off to Leavenworth.
It is not an audit. They are taking illegal and unconstitutional actions. Civics 101.
It seems there's a lot of lawyers here and they seem pretty high and mighty and thinking that what they do is important but let's remind ourselves we need farmers and we need chefs and we need firemen and police man but we don't really need lawyers they provide no benefit to society they don't create anything.
That being said, Trump and Elon Musk are not lawyers they're talented, businessmen and entrepreneurs. I think there's a subtle unconscious jealousy that anything they do is something that could've been something you did, but didn't have the courage to strike out on your own.
Yes they are and they’re doing it to clean up the mess of the last 15 years since Obama can in and introduced Cultural Marxism to America
You don’t seem to understand the point. I’ll pray for you.
Again Tanya, there are legal mechanisms for audits already. And audits are done regularly by every department. The objection here is not doing an audit, it is that unelected, unqualified, private citizens are demanding wholesale, impulsive changes, and have their hands on the Treasury. This opens the door to theft, just for a start, preferment for a second, dictatorship third, and economic let alone global political ruin fourth. I leave aside the threats of war and invasion against your largest trading partners...
Clearly government audits are ineffective and mean little. The Dod has failed something like 7 audits running. And multiple lawsuits are currently being filed against defense contractors for overcharging the department for years. I doubt the Dod is the only department with these problems. I don’t see how the door will be open for theft considering an audit will still occur, not related to DOGE. Preferment is already a problem with the revolving door that many departments have. Dictatorship is actually a fair concern but I think relates more the trump then DOGE, and the 4th point is also more of a trump problem while cutting foreign aid programs will hinder political relationships I think the tariffs and unwillingness of the current administration to meet with foreign allied leaders is more the problem.
That is not clear at all. If the legal system presently in place to track any waste, fraud or "abuse" are not up to the task, then THOSE SYSTEMS need to be strengthened. It is not reasonable to say the only alternative is to let an unelected, unqualified, private citizen with conflicts of interest and a questionable history walk in and make wholesale changes.
I would not say it is only alternative but these problems have existed for years and not only has nothing changed but no one even seemed concerned. 7 failed audits($824 billion missing just from Dod)should not be possible without a major shift. That is tax money just being stolen and no one cares. There is no reason to think the government will suddenly become effective so bringing in an outside source seems reasonable. Doesn’t need to be Elon but someone who is public enough to bring attention to how shitty our government is at keeping track of its expenses felt needed.
The machinations of money laundering is what is killing this country I guess you don't realize that.
Oh Tanya. If money laundering is the problem, then by all means go after it. But do so by legal means, not this ridiculous slash and burn operation by Musk and Trump. It is a pity the FBI is also being gutted, because tracking and dealing with money laundering is their job. Ergo, this admin has no interest in dealing with your "machinations of money laundering". Likely as they plan to turbocharge it for their own benefit.
Now can you disbar all of the attorneys who are supporting illegal activities in the current administration?
One apparently actually told some court--can't remember which issue, USAID I think--that the freeze only applied to "future disbursements." However you think of future, it doesn't include money already not disbursed. I hope whoever it is gets reported to his state bar for bald face lies.
Do you think that even Thomas and Alito would go with overruling Marbury vs Madison?
Thomas would say he had to be an actual witness to Marbury v. Madison. Unlikely, since he'd only be a slave serving a master in court that day. 🤔
Thank you Mr. Bay for using your position to affirm what we all can see is outright injustice. My father fled Nazi Germany to arrive in this country at age 13, and paid his way to college by driving a taxi. He eventually graduated from Yale Law School and represented the California Bar Association for decades.
Though he died 2 years ago at 98, he was still working to fight injustice. He would be furious at the administration's illegal actions and doing his part to advocate for the everyman. He believed the US legal system was the world's best; may it prove itself now or forever hold its peace.
Thank you for supporting the Rule of Law as it is one of the pillars of Democracy. What can ordinary citizens do to help contine this?
But don't we live in a republic?
Tanya, you are wasting everyone’s time here, especially in repeating many of your own, mostly inane, comments.
Thank you, Ken1. I was attempting to understand Tanya’s rationale. But obviously a waste of time as you eloquently put it. Moving on . . .
Let’s move to disbar those lawyers that aren’t following rule of law.
Good. That's what the bar is supposed to do. Let's get at it!
Yes, lets censor their comments online too!
I see from your posted comment that no censorship has taken place. But your comments are inane and provocative for no reason. So the best policy here is for us all to ignore you. That is called "consequences".
And yet this lady got a response. How can u justify that in ur head. “Hey if we ignore this maybe it will stop. How can I make this happen…? I guess the best way would be to respond and get one last jab in so she knows she’s definitely not getting to me” what???? Also on a side note really do ignore her this Tanya lady is getting enough hate as is
Not nearly enough, but point taken.
Can you not fire the lawyers who are participating in the coup? Disbar them? This is an emergency.!
A worthy statement as far as it goes. Where was the ABA when a whole raft of lawyers were pushing "Stop the Steal"? Where is their defense of their profession against those who use it to push dangerous agendas? This current president has attacked the legal profession, judges and the rule of law ever since he rode down that golden escalator in 2015. It would have been nice to see something like this when he was attacking prosecutors and investigators who were following the rule of law.
Yale should revoke Vance’s law degree!!
He's probably part of the skull and bones society. You know the secret society stuff.
Im just curious, how much news per day to you consume:
a) Television
b) internet
c) social media
d) None
Thank you
E. Substack, politico, AP, and wasaaayyyyyy tooo much of all of it!!! Prior to this election TikTok was my new source😂🤡
Glad the ABA came out with a strong statement- Judge Coughenour was even more impressive as a Reagan appointee smacking down Trump challenge to birthright citizenship. Joyce Vance linked to this audio of his inspiring statement: https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/PPY8978309182?selected=SLT1263175437
Trump and the Project 25 bandwagon is at an important juncture in the road. One road leads to the rule of law, The other road
leads into the darkness of anarchy. Trump loves chaos.
Tanya, that is completely incomprehensible.
As I suggested in an earlier post, I emailed the ABA asking them to consider revoking the law licenses of those in this administration who are supposed to be following the law.
When one’s professional livelihood is threatened, one might take pause.