The ruling on the student loan forgiveness sounds like they applied the Major Questions Doctrine? Seems likely we will likely see this frequently in the next 10 yrs. There seems to be no established guardrails on it. The Court seems to be leaving Textualism in the dust and substituting this as a new judicial “philosophy”. Thx for putting the time and effort on this platform Prof Rangappa.
Hmm. I wonder if they “solved” the standing issue in the sneaky way they did (in the loans case) JUST so they could raise the Major Questions Doctrine in a context where the facts might support use of the doctrine did it actually exist? And now they’ve “legitimized” the doctrine and you are right, it is going to be used to decimate the administrative and regulatory structure of the executive branch.
I very much doubt the culture wars part of the base appreciates, or even understands, the impact of this, which has little desirability as a goal for “salt of the earth” folks. That group WANTS more government so long as it advances their beliefs--witness the incursions of state government control under DeSatan. This is a pure dark money, oligarchic issue
Asha, thanks for your coverage of important SCOTUS decisions this past week, but like most main-stream media, the details are cursory..and as we all know...the devil is in the details.
Here are some more details on the decisions and potential impacts from Thom Hartmann, Heather Cox Richardson and Joyce Vance:
My own takes: (1) it's depressing to consider that SCOTUS not eviscerating democracy in Moore is to be considered a 'win'; (2) couldn't agree more about the exception in Affirmative Action case; better get more coffee admissions counselors; (3) use of Heroes Act in student loan debt forgiveness did seem a policy in search of a justification, so perhaps an equally disingenuous filing by State of MO is only appropriate; (4) Creative ruling most concerning as it now has provided those seeking to discriminate with a constitutional/SCOTUS fig leaf.
Back in the Dark Ages (the 60s) I had an NDEA loan for the year of grad school it took to get my teaching certificate. Interest was 1% and 10% was forgiven for each year you taught. If you went back to school for further education, the loan payments were paused (though interest kept running).
I only taught four years before going back to grad school, but overall it was a really good deal.
I think there are such programs now but I don't think they are widely known. The idea is to encourage folks to take up needed professions. It could be vastly enlarged. Besides teaching it could be used by kids who want to enter non-profit work or other socially desirable fields. One that would be really important is medical school for students who are willing to commit to 10 years of being a General practitioner/PCP. (Tried to get an appointment with your PCP? MONTHS out). Because of the cost, the commitment would be important with penalties if the doctor decided to switch to a more remunerative specialty. Same thing could apply to law school for those who commit to public defender or legal aid type work.
Basically, for socially needed professions, your education would end up free except for interest if you stuck with the profession. Aspirant Hedge Fund managers need not apply.
I think the GP/PCP forgiveness proposition you're suggesting is very intriguing. The primary reason doctors are according general practice for specialization is the higher pay. If you can decrease the financial obligation of medical school loan holders, both in terms of lowered monthly payments and overall debt by forgiving the remaining debt upon completion of the program, I would think you could get doctors to take that deal. We need to get creative to solve these longstanding problems. I went to a medically-oriented magnet school for highschool and the increasing shortage of GPs/PCPs was an issue then back in the late 90s/early 2000s and it's only gotten worse.
I assume it's only a matter time to see printers who claim that no posters sold if used to advertise the feast days of Catholic saints. Perhaps signs saying no books sold in our store that celebrate Jewish culture. Maybe a butcher says he can't sell food to any Muslim if used to break fast for Ramadan. Stick a fork in me.
Now with the MAGA SCOTUS in “full swing” rolling back decades of progress, it’s ironic how Republicans believe life begins as a fetus but once humans leave the womb, you’re on your own and are not particularly welcome to live in this country unless a straight white person born in the USA, and any Republican who doesn’t support the evil Trump/MAGA movement is now considered a RINO (e.g., John McCain, Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, Liz Cheney). But I wholeheartedly believe that good will triumph over evil and American democracy will survive and return to normalcy once Trump leaves this Earth as all autocrats and wanna-be autocrats eventually do!
..<><> .. Ms.Asha, this possibly would appear "complicated" if shared with Your Therapist as Your "personal fav rock video" but i enjoyed it for my first Time...thanks for sharing
@AshaRangappa continue "enjoying Your vacay!" where ever You may be when the firework show begins for Independence Day USA may it be memorable and happy for You and Yours🌍🌎👣🐝😇🌅🌄🤧🤕
...<><> .. I won't comment, as this beautiful 🌍 🌎 is still spinning Ms.Asha ... nuclear bomb testing prior to the big bomb dropping on Japan to end World Warll and further testing until some oversights were created by participating NUCLEAR NATION'S.... presently one of those participant Nations has gone Rogue and has a HEFTY PAY LOAD to "unleash" if so decides ....pollution and starving children....i can't comment as a boy I found my toys were there to use an play with
As a grown Man recalling an Impressive Movie I went and watched starring Dustin Hoffman.."The Graduate" had so many "comments" in its fantasy dialogue but one I recall that was said by the neighbor's Husband "....blah blah..the Future is "plastics" to the Graduate home from College"banging the predictors' Wife than running off with his Daughter....All very entertaining for Me But today "Plastics" are polluting Our Oceans suffocating Ocean life and it's still booming since that Neighbor told "The Graduate".....
I’m not sure the “new” test is quite as onerous as you fear. My impression is that the question is not so much “did the threatener mean it as a threat” as it is “was the threatener aware that the words could be taken as a threat.”
That depends on how well the prosecution and judge explain it. I can see, for example, someone not real familiar with English uttering something that literally isn't a threat but is often taken as one in contemporary slang--- or vice versa. No threatening examples come to mind at this hour of the morning, but I can things like the slang use of "bad" for "good" could get confusing.
Slang is actually a fertile place for this kind of misapprehension. I retreat to the Urban dictionary all the time.
The ruling on the student loan forgiveness sounds like they applied the Major Questions Doctrine? Seems likely we will likely see this frequently in the next 10 yrs. There seems to be no established guardrails on it. The Court seems to be leaving Textualism in the dust and substituting this as a new judicial “philosophy”. Thx for putting the time and effort on this platform Prof Rangappa.
Hmm. I wonder if they “solved” the standing issue in the sneaky way they did (in the loans case) JUST so they could raise the Major Questions Doctrine in a context where the facts might support use of the doctrine did it actually exist? And now they’ve “legitimized” the doctrine and you are right, it is going to be used to decimate the administrative and regulatory structure of the executive branch.
I very much doubt the culture wars part of the base appreciates, or even understands, the impact of this, which has little desirability as a goal for “salt of the earth” folks. That group WANTS more government so long as it advances their beliefs--witness the incursions of state government control under DeSatan. This is a pure dark money, oligarchic issue
Asha, thanks for your coverage of important SCOTUS decisions this past week, but like most main-stream media, the details are cursory..and as we all know...the devil is in the details.
Here are some more details on the decisions and potential impacts from Thom Hartmann, Heather Cox Richardson and Joyce Vance:
https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartmann/p/is-student-debt-a-crime-against-americas?r=103nj&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/june-30-2023?r=103nj&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
https://open.substack.com/pub/joycevance/p/enough-with-the-court?r=103nj&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
My own takes: (1) it's depressing to consider that SCOTUS not eviscerating democracy in Moore is to be considered a 'win'; (2) couldn't agree more about the exception in Affirmative Action case; better get more coffee admissions counselors; (3) use of Heroes Act in student loan debt forgiveness did seem a policy in search of a justification, so perhaps an equally disingenuous filing by State of MO is only appropriate; (4) Creative ruling most concerning as it now has provided those seeking to discriminate with a constitutional/SCOTUS fig leaf.
Back in the Dark Ages (the 60s) I had an NDEA loan for the year of grad school it took to get my teaching certificate. Interest was 1% and 10% was forgiven for each year you taught. If you went back to school for further education, the loan payments were paused (though interest kept running).
I only taught four years before going back to grad school, but overall it was a really good deal.
I think there are such programs now but I don't think they are widely known. The idea is to encourage folks to take up needed professions. It could be vastly enlarged. Besides teaching it could be used by kids who want to enter non-profit work or other socially desirable fields. One that would be really important is medical school for students who are willing to commit to 10 years of being a General practitioner/PCP. (Tried to get an appointment with your PCP? MONTHS out). Because of the cost, the commitment would be important with penalties if the doctor decided to switch to a more remunerative specialty. Same thing could apply to law school for those who commit to public defender or legal aid type work.
Basically, for socially needed professions, your education would end up free except for interest if you stuck with the profession. Aspirant Hedge Fund managers need not apply.
I think the GP/PCP forgiveness proposition you're suggesting is very intriguing. The primary reason doctors are according general practice for specialization is the higher pay. If you can decrease the financial obligation of medical school loan holders, both in terms of lowered monthly payments and overall debt by forgiving the remaining debt upon completion of the program, I would think you could get doctors to take that deal. We need to get creative to solve these longstanding problems. I went to a medically-oriented magnet school for highschool and the increasing shortage of GPs/PCPs was an issue then back in the late 90s/early 2000s and it's only gotten worse.
I assume it's only a matter time to see printers who claim that no posters sold if used to advertise the feast days of Catholic saints. Perhaps signs saying no books sold in our store that celebrate Jewish culture. Maybe a butcher says he can't sell food to any Muslim if used to break fast for Ramadan. Stick a fork in me.
Now with the MAGA SCOTUS in “full swing” rolling back decades of progress, it’s ironic how Republicans believe life begins as a fetus but once humans leave the womb, you’re on your own and are not particularly welcome to live in this country unless a straight white person born in the USA, and any Republican who doesn’t support the evil Trump/MAGA movement is now considered a RINO (e.g., John McCain, Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, Liz Cheney). But I wholeheartedly believe that good will triumph over evil and American democracy will survive and return to normalcy once Trump leaves this Earth as all autocrats and wanna-be autocrats eventually do!
You’re the best, Asha. Enjoy your vacation.
..<><> .. Ms.Asha, this possibly would appear "complicated" if shared with Your Therapist as Your "personal fav rock video" but i enjoyed it for my first Time...thanks for sharing
@AshaRangappa continue "enjoying Your vacay!" where ever You may be when the firework show begins for Independence Day USA may it be memorable and happy for You and Yours🌍🌎👣🐝😇🌅🌄🤧🤕
...<><> .. I won't comment, as this beautiful 🌍 🌎 is still spinning Ms.Asha ... nuclear bomb testing prior to the big bomb dropping on Japan to end World Warll and further testing until some oversights were created by participating NUCLEAR NATION'S.... presently one of those participant Nations has gone Rogue and has a HEFTY PAY LOAD to "unleash" if so decides ....pollution and starving children....i can't comment as a boy I found my toys were there to use an play with
As a grown Man recalling an Impressive Movie I went and watched starring Dustin Hoffman.."The Graduate" had so many "comments" in its fantasy dialogue but one I recall that was said by the neighbor's Husband "....blah blah..the Future is "plastics" to the Graduate home from College"banging the predictors' Wife than running off with his Daughter....All very entertaining for Me But today "Plastics" are polluting Our Oceans suffocating Ocean life and it's still booming since that Neighbor told "The Graduate".....
I admit I prefer Lin Manuel Miranda's retelling of history
HAMILTON!
I’m not sure the “new” test is quite as onerous as you fear. My impression is that the question is not so much “did the threatener mean it as a threat” as it is “was the threatener aware that the words could be taken as a threat.”
That depends on how well the prosecution and judge explain it. I can see, for example, someone not real familiar with English uttering something that literally isn't a threat but is often taken as one in contemporary slang--- or vice versa. No threatening examples come to mind at this hour of the morning, but I can things like the slang use of "bad" for "good" could get confusing.
Slang is actually a fertile place for this kind of misapprehension. I retreat to the Urban dictionary all the time.